View Full Version : Trailers in the top 20 movies
drewbie63
09-13-2007, 08:00 PM
I was gonna go into a long rant about it, but the basic point is that I don't think trailers should be eligible for the Top 20 movies of all time since they aren't, by definition, movies at all.
If I'm alone in this I'll drop it, but that's always bugged me that people that put together 20 seconds of awesome visuals with the promise of something great later get rated super high and make the top 20 when there's really nothing there but flash and no real content.
Gedan
09-13-2007, 08:49 PM
Yeah, they aren't movies and shouldn't be regarded as such.. we have discussed this before and maybe it's time to add it on our TO DO on how to handle them.
Dwârv
09-14-2007, 01:33 AM
On the other hand : A trailer like "FURY" took for sure more work than most of the 30-min PVP movies around here (example given). And even though its not a full movie, it's still an awsome piece of artwork, imho...
Maybe make an extra Top 20 just for trailers - or movies under 2 minutes in general..?
Following this thought I realise it generates more questions than answers...
Hmmm
Dwârv
Terwilliger
09-14-2007, 02:09 AM
Fury is a very good trailer. It could be classed as a short movie.
drewbie63
09-14-2007, 02:46 AM
Sure it's good, but it's still a trailer. If he had classified it as a short movie I'd be all about it (even if I still have no clue what it's about other than it looks pretty), but it's still a trailer and it was the submitters choice to call it one.
Terwilliger
09-14-2007, 04:34 AM
I agree with your suggestion, but some of the trailers are still very well edited and have a very high rating, they kind of deserve to be in the top movies.
Perhaps making another section, Top 20 Trailers. lul
Uzbeki
09-14-2007, 12:22 PM
I have moved the trailers off the the list and increased the numbers of movies to 30. I will let you debate this some more before I decide what to do. Are both changes needed or is it enough to increase the number of movies on the list?
Terwilliger
09-14-2007, 01:07 PM
I think that increasing the number is enough. If you just remove the trailers from the list, new trailers will just creep back up there.
Though this can be debated.
drewbie63
09-14-2007, 04:56 PM
I guess my beef is that if you're creating a trailer for your project, you're effectively getting credit for the same work twice. It's like a highlight reel of your project.
Then again, if you make a trailer and never actually release anything *cough* ID:EFO *cough*, well, then that's really all you've got.
Regardless, it just stinks to see people rate all 5's on something that is visually stunning, but gives you no idea as to what's actually going on. That might just be more about the lack of thought put into ratings than anything though. It's frustrating to think about and explain your rating only be scorned by the community for not giving straight 5's just cause it was funny even with it's horrible visuals and sound.
Terwilliger
09-15-2007, 02:22 AM
There are alot of people, and I mean ALOT of people, that rate 5/5/5/5 on movies that they liked, and 1/1/1/1 on movies they didn't. But no one can stop them.
I understand your point here, but the authors did put effort in to making those trailers still, and it is still a separate movie.
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Martinfalch
10-02-2007, 01:58 PM
I'm personally one of the authors with a trailer (totpIII) in the top of the storyline section of movies, though there isn't really any content in it so to speak.
To be honest I actually agree, trailers should perhaps not make the top20 movies, but I guess it goes for other movies as well - for instance, from what I recall, the 2# movie in the storyline section is a "put-together" of WC3 cinematics - not that I have anything against these, I'm all for lore movies - but if trailers are to be removed from top lists etc due to low content/work put into them (which is often true since most trailers are just put together by parts of the actual movie, requiering - spelling - little effort), then you'd be in a situation where movies as the one mentioned above should probably be considered as well.
In the end I guess the easiest way is for the viewer to sort of distinguish between each movie - it's easy to recognize that a certain movie might not actually fit the spot it's gotten (for instance if it's a trailer/not an actual movie etc).
Alternatively you could go back to sort of the old style prior to Return 2 trailer where trailers weren't really able to get a recommendation. That way you could fairly well sort out movies without recommendations from the top20, since in almost any case it's most likely not belonging there. If there is indeed a movie there that is validly liked by people, then a "late recommendation" is probably in place, just like it has been done with several movies lately, even though the movies had been on WCM for a long time :)
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